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Kenwood Music Career Interview

Interviewer: Please give me a brief summary of your career; the most notable people you've worked with, your career status with these people (i.e., band member, employee, etc..,)

KD: Maceo Parker (recording/touring drummer)
Wayne Shorter (touring drummer/ samples)
Dizzy Gillespie (touring drummer)
John Mclaughlin (drummer with Gil Evans Orchestra)
Pat Martino (touring/recording Drummer)
Jaco Pastorius (touring /recording drummer/ keyboardist)
Sting (recording drummer)
Miles Davis (drummer/percussionist)
George Benson (drummer)
Jon Hendrix (drummer)
Manhattan Transfer (touring drummer)
Bush Rock (band with Delmar Brown and Rael)
Brand X (band replacing Phil Collins)
Vanessa Williams (recording)

Interviewer: Being in a band requires years of hard work and sacrifice -and even then- there are no guarantees for the big pay off! Can you describe what you like about working as an employee or independent contractor as opposed to being a member of a band?

KD: Being in a band has been quite rewarding, actually. In my case the two bands which stand out in my memory of my career are "Brand X" with Percy Jones and Robin Lumley and Morris Pert on percussion and Jon Goodsall on guitar (a British Rock fusion band), and Bush Rock an innovative fusion funk rock band featuring Delmar Brown on keyboards and Rael Wesley Grant on electric bass. I Also played with and continue to work with the Gil Evans Orchestra. We have come together from time to time over a period of 18 years! It is not a band in the sense of a rock band, but an incredible band nonetheless.
I also played with the Word of Mouth Band with Jaco Pastorius. These are treasured experiences of creative expression worldwide.
In the case of Brand X, I had to fill the shoes of a popular previous band member who found himself too busy to stay as a regular band member. His name: Phil Collins. Collins was getting busy with Genesis at the time. (another band!) That was 1977.
Touring with the band was incredibly fun. While we never achieved the commercial mainstream, still, we were in musical heaven. We played PRECISELY what we wanted to play (off the tops of our heads many times).
I enjoyed living in London with the group and I enjoyed writing with the band.
In fact, composing together was one of the most fun aspects of playing with a band. Receiving composer's royalties lasted for many years. When one of my compositions was re-released, the publishing kicked in again 20 years after I recorded with Brand X.
When freelancing, often I played the music that other (albeit wonderful) musicians composed separately. With Brand X and Bush Rock, however, we would compose together as a group and we really got to know each other musically quite intimately.
With Bush Rock I have been told by many musicians that I was part of a very influential group inspiring and showing musical possibilities to many funky rock fusion musicians who would follow such as Omar Hakim (Madonna) and Wil Calhoun and Vernon Reid (Living Colour) and TM Stephens.
We as band members had the chance to rehearse constantly.
I think I became who I am musically partly because of the constant playing as a band member.
Playing with a big band (Gil Evans Orchestra) was amazing, too. Were it not for my regular every Monday stint with the Gil Evans Orchestra, I never would have met Sting or Miles Davis or John McLaughlin. We developed an astounding telepathy with each other over the years (Hiram Bullock guitar(Letterman), Delmar Brown (Sting) keyboards , Gil Goldstein (Miles Davis etc) Howard Johnson Baritone sax tuba etc., David Bargeron bass trombone Alex Foster(Saturday Night Live) sax Chris Hunter Sax Lew Soloff (formerly with Blood Sweat and Tears) etc etc etc., Mark Egan, Miles Evans on trumpet. Playing with "Word of Mouth" was a cross between freelancing and playing with a band. I was a band member, but the bandleader was a famous individual.
Musically the situation was very egalitarian. We each had abundant solos etc. and we were featured in our own individual lights.
Sometimes Jaco would keep the same personnel for two or three tours and then change up a member here or there.
Being in Jaco's band was fantastic exposure which fueled my free lance work...when the tours with Jaco finished, other musicians who had seen me on the road or at the Bottom Line NYC or the Blue Note NYC etc. would call me for freelance gigs.
In the world of jazz and funk fusion etc. even while I played in bands, I was always free to freelance on the frequent time off.
In 1979 I had to make the tough decision as to whether to continue turning down outside offers and continue spending most of my time with the comrades I loved so much in the band Bush Rock.
At one point I was performing with Dizzy Gillespie and he asked how long I'd be able to commit to performing with him.
I kind of made 1/2 commitment as the sideman with Diz and 1/2 commitment with Bush Rock. At one point I even had two gigs on the same night . One with dizzy at the Bottom Line on Mercer street in NYC and one with Bush Rock at Eric's on 88th street.
Ultimately I wound up taking a three year stint in 1980 with the Manhattan Transfer all around the world, and after that freelancing took over as my main mode of performing.
Freelancing is fantastic. I absolutely love it. I get to be called upon for my own style and particular strengths.
I am in a position to arrange my own schedule, and nurture my own price. There was a time I recall when I was playing with Jaco Pastorius' Word of Mouth plus I was touring with Stanley Jordan (the guitarist who plays two guitars at once using tapping technique) plus I was working with Cissy Houston (with a young Whitney Houston on vocals and I was offered a gig with the wonderful violinist, Jean Luc Ponty Plus Harry Belafonte.
I had to make another tough choice. I was advised that I shouldn't work with Harry Belafonte (a huge Calypso artist and movie personality) because I would be pigeon holed as only one kind of artist (Calypso) . I decided to work with Harry Belafonte because I felt it would afford me more variety of experience. Happily I never became pigeon holed and my career continued to move along!
I had to hire a sub (Tommy Campbell) for me with Jaco, but somehow I made all the touring work...what a fun way to see the world. I also perform with my own band and I utilize various modes of handling personnel issues.
I have an "A" team (who are usually too busy and expensive to use all the time) and the rest of my roster of musicians. I also have more than one band. The variety is endless. I love the challenge and the creativity involved in having more than one band with my own music but using various musicians from time to time depending on style technique and availability.

Interviewer: Employees are generally anyone working with one employer on a long term basis, while an independent contractor is anyone working with a variety of employers on a shorter term basis. Do you prefer working in one situation over the other and why?

KD: They each have their place. I find the band situation a little restricting schedule wise, but it has strong points such as beneficial rehearsals exposure and more steady money.

Interviewer: The business and legal distinction between employees and independent contractors is important when dealing with taxes, workers' compensation insurance, and state unemployment benefits. If you had the choice between being treated as employee or independent contractor, which would you choose and why?

KD: Notably I really enjoyed the business situation with The Manhattan Transfer I was an employee for three years. Very steady. Even when we weren't on the road we got paid.

Interviewer: According to state laws, employers are responsible for providing their employees with workers' compensation insurance for injuries that might occur on the road, while independent contractors are responsible for providing their own disability insurance. Have you had any "close calls"?

KD: No. Most of my jobs have been independent contractor gigs. The "employee" oriented situations were less hassle cause tax was take out each week along with unemployment social security etc.
But the real bonanza in terms of health insurance is being an employee at Berklee College of Music.
I have also been employed as an adjunct professor (part time at NYU and Parsons School of Design Manhattan School of Music Queens College. These were also much appreciated modes of employment at the time.
The full insurance provisions never kicked in until the full time position at Berklee. It took going through many many years of playing and teaching experience to qualify for the full time position.

Interviewer: In your musical career where having insurance was a blessing?

KD: Well insurance is often overlooked in most playing situations except when there is big money involved.

Interviewer: How about equipment insurance; as an employee you're generally covered by your employer's policy, but as an independent contractor you're responsible for buying your own equipment insurance - are you covered?

K.D.: Ha ha well I have been covered on my own. But it didn't seem to be a top priority. The musicians union tried to make instrument insurance affordable and still is trying to improve the compensation of the freelance musician. :-) Congratulations to local 802.

Interviewer: Are you a member of The American Federation of Musicians,

K.D.: No longer. I'm a non-member in good standing.

Interviewer: The American Federation of Radio and Television Artists, or (if you play an instrument and sing), both organizations? Please explain.

K.D.: When I was doing a lot of sessions in NYC, I benefited financially from being in the Musicians Union.

Interviewer: Solo artists and band members may benefit from percentages of publishing royalties, record royalties, and merchandising monies, while an employee or independent contractor usually works for a straight wage. What criteria do you use for establishing your employment agreement with an employer. For instance, how do you determine your wage?

K.D.: I negotiate. First I find out what the employer has in mind then as long as it's not below my minimum I take it. :-)

Interviewer: Employees or independent contractors may find work as session players, live performers, musical instructors, copyists, arrangers, song writers, engineers, and producers. What are some of the other ways that you've kept busy throughout your career?

K.D.: All of the above plus co-producing with Delmar Brown, and producing my solo album, and another project or two. Production was nice because I received a lump sum then paid the others . If I saved time and money a was able to pocket more.

Interviewer: Do you have any advice about getting your name out in the music community and keeping it out there?

K.D.: Getting it out there: associate often with established bands and musicians then try to parlay the exposure into your own "niche" and continue to play with established musicians. Older musicians sometimes benefit from associating with current fresh up and coming musicians. People skills are very important for keeping the name out there. Punctuality and professionalism and appearance are also very important.

Interviewer: What are some of the methods or personal attributes that have helped you stay busy over the years as an employee or independent contractor?

K.D.: Returning phone calls on a timely basis helpful for independent contractor work. Having a service such as Radio Registry has helped.
Versatility has been useful. Reading and stylistic versatility helps so that if one kind of gig dries up, the other can kick in. As an employee, punctuality and supportive attitude are important. Also spending social time with the band members is important for morale.

Interviewer: Please discuss your philosophies about working with other people,

K.D.: In terms of working with other people, I try to get to know them and develop a genuine caring. People want to play with people who they want to be around.

Interviewer: staying motivated,

K.D.: For motivation I try to keep my own individual way of doing things. I try to keep future goals in mind. Having a personal theme is valuable. Something worth playing for in this world.
and maintaining a good work ethic.

Interviewer: Work ethic?

K.D.: Well parental guidance and religious practice have been useful in this area. :)

Interviewer: Have you relied on other business professionals throughout your career such as an accountant,

K.D.: Accountant is necessary... of course.
Business manager, yes from time to time personal manager yes from time to time, or attorney of course. attorneys have offered valuable advice.
Especially in and negotiating contracts.
Sometimes lawyers find contracts for artists.
I have tried to rely on other drummers, but rarely found gigs that way...However, notably Dennis Chambers recommended me for the recording with Chick Corea and Niacin on Stretch Records. :-)

Interviewer: Employees and independent contractors don't benefit as "normal" corporate folk in that they don't have saving plans, vacation plans, or (in some cases) any plans at all. What types of business techniques, investment tips, or general advice have you adopted over the years in order to advance your career and future?

K.D.: Failing to plan is like planning to fail.
Don't be afraid to think big . Courage is needed. If I hadn't pushed and blown my own horn, I never would have worked with Miles, Wayne, and others.

Interviewer: Is there any other advice about employees or independent contractors that you think is important for our readers to know?

K.D.: I think especially in terms of independent contractor work, paperwork is more important than anyone ever told me in the beginning.
Also self responsibility and staying on top of business is important. Being aware of budget and frugality etc. and sound business practice are important as well.
Employee status is more stable, but independent contractor work offers more freedom and self determination (but more self responsibility).
I hope the readers can do it for the fun of it.
If every single gig is not fun, at least I hope each gig helps lead to fun and fulfillment. I feel that's up to each individual.

Peace! :-)